Tinfoilman's Suggestions

[tinfoilman]

These are my suggestions. Take 'em or leave 'em (or in WD's case, make a long argument rebutting 'em! Just kidding, Dumple, I love you (no homo).)

1. Have alliances serve a larger purpose:
- The only use they have right now is for counter-attacks, as other than during sieges or if you have some of your troops situated at an ally's base, there is no way of defending them. I think this could be changed.

2. Clear away confusing rules:
- Rules that over-complicate things. Such as... petal maximum rule (I don't see the purpose, it just hinders those who like to hoard money), oceanic petal bonuses (I think the fact that nautical transport is two times quicker is a big enough bonus for having a lake-side base), recruitment centers (could stay or go, but personally I think they just make it so people have to remember one more thing to do), etc.

3. Encourage battles:
- I think the BP System worked over on NW, but I don't want it to be the same system here. Just some sort of incentive. Oh, and also encourage mods I guess, but having more [active] mods should help.

4. Destroy the Universal Store:
- It is the reason trade collapsed. Trade takes longer than just buying from the Universal Store. It also takes away the purpose of buying mines: if only one guy has an aluminum mine, then people are going to be buying aluminum from him if they don't want to waste a project slot. If everyone has cheap access to an aluminum supply, no one is going to trade for it, they are just going to buy from said cheap supply (the US).

5. Reduce travel times:
- Kind of goes along with the first suggestion. I know, this game is supposed to be somewhat realistic (besides the plants with legs and albino fire-breathing elephants), but it cuts down on trade and of course helping your ally.

IF ALL ELSE FAILS...

6. Drastic change to less of a war game:
- To something like one of bulbmin's suggestions or someone else's ideas. This doesn't need to be a strict war game that shares its core with Nintendo Wars and other "Wars". But I think we should start with small changes, and if it just isn't working, we can go ahead with bigger changes.

OH, AND...

7. Bring back Lufty:
- Like, now. I miss that guy...

[Water Dumple]

I'm writing a four-six page essay on why all of your ideas are horrible and you should never be allowed to post anymore, but here's a synopsis for convenience!

The reason most of those rules are there is to keep the screws tight and keep questions from being asked that can only be answered vaguely, and the small balancing factor stuff like RCs bring. There are advantages and disadvantages to getting rid of them, but I don't know which would be better. (I'd prefer it stayed the same, but I like things more complicated than most.)

As for the Universal Store, I understand that it blew up resource trade...but it really seemed like the only thing to do. The game was just getting too complicated and logs were taking too long to update with all the mines. So instead, I hoped that mines could become a rarity and a valuable asset, making precision targeting in battle and economy trashing more important. If you have a suggestion that would eliminate the Universal Store but also prevent that layer of annoyance with log updating without getting rid of resources altogether, don't hesitate to post it.

Number one and three, well, I'd hoped we could use Bulbmin's ideas to enhance the game extremely. Don't know if we can make the transition perfectly, but if we can get his ideas going in a coherent game, things could be awesome.

On number seven...yeah. Luftwaffle needs to get back here. he wuz epik

[THE GODDAMN BATMAN]

Apr 21, 2009 21:10:07 GMT -5 tinfoilman said:

3. Encourage battles:
- I think the BP System worked over on NW, but I don't want it to be the same system here. Just some sort of incentive. Oh, and also encourage mods I guess, but having more [active] mods should help.

I like it. Our BP store could be run by an Orange Pikmin named orangepikmin, who swears at the customers.

[vidguysteve]

I might be a little biased saying this, but the Battle Point system did work very well for our current version. We've had as many battles in this one alone than in all other versions combined.

Certainly, another alternative or twist to the Battle Point system would work just as well, but something to reward battles is a plus.

[Water Dumple]

I was hoping that resources would become much more valuable by costing an amount of money for each resource, and thus you'd want to fight battles to steal other peoples'.

Didn't really work out at all, though, so something else is probably needed. My problem with the battle point system on NW is that you rarely earn back what you spent on the items (And most of the items are the sorts of undodgeable things that you can't prepare for). Also, it would be rather copying from them if we tried a battle point-style system here. I think we just need to make battles profitable, where one side will probably profit from a battle but the other won't.

[yoshimaster]

*Is with tin on all*
1:I need not explain, he says it all, so right.

2:Dont care

3:YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. We need more war

4. Yeah the old system was better.

5.It just is a pain in the ass.

6. YARRRRRRRRRRRRR

[bulbmin]

I agree with all of these, 4. especially. If the Universal Store was disposed of, I would probably play again.

[yoshimaster]

BUMP

[Goolix]

Your forgetting that nautical trade is slower and more limited than land trade becuase 1) ships are the slowest vehicles in the game 2) you could only trade with other people on the coast. But I do agree that we should get rid of the petal cap.

[Lord Raymond]

Mar 11, 2010 20:29:56 GMT -5 Goolix said:

Your forgetting that nautical trade is slower and more limited than land trade becuase 1) ships are the slowest vehicles in the game 2) you could only trade with other people on the coast. But I do agree that we should get rid of the petal cap.

This is an ooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllldddddddddd thread, don't bump it ok?

[Infinity ∞]

I don't know why this is still here, really. The Next Version Suggestions board is sorta pointless. I'll delete it later.

EDIT: We COULD just use it for materials and other rules to be added to the next version, but I don't think it will be used much.

[Water Dumple]

It was more useful a while ago when there were a bunch of next version suggestions coming in, but then that sort of ended at the same time I made the sub-board.