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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 4, 2008 19:34:31 GMT -5
Dr. Morrison looks like a person whose jokes can only amuse himself. Heh, once you get Advance Wars: Days of Ruin, you'll be crushed with self-amusing jokes. The factory joke is actually one he uses straight from the game. Anyways, I think HF Rocket Metal should be all you need to make spaceships.
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Post by Hachi on Jul 4, 2008 19:34:32 GMT -5
How about a representative for the Wildlife army? It'll certainly bring more enjoyability to reading logs.
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Post by Meowzer on Jul 4, 2008 19:40:43 GMT -5
How do you intercept a letter?
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 4, 2008 21:23:20 GMT -5
How about a representative for the Wildlife army? It'll certainly bring more enjoyability to reading logs. Eh, I thought about mentioning it. We'll make it an option.
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Post by Petrosian on Jul 4, 2008 23:10:14 GMT -5
I think a required piece of gear only available from the Universal store is better than putting Rocket Metal into ships. It makes more sense. You mean something like a Shipyard should need to be installed beforehand? Maybe, but what I meant was more like an engine which can be bought out and cannot be player-made. How do you make something fly by putting weird pieces of metal in it?
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 5, 2008 8:03:57 GMT -5
You make an engine out of the metal...
And I've started on the table, Water Dumple. However, there are quite a few things in that resources section that don't make any sense, and if we're going to change them we should probably do it now, before the next edition starts.
For example, Refined Coal is stronger than Steel. Tin is apparently resistant to electricity. Copper, Nickel and Cobalt are as strong as Iron. A lot of materials have weird properties that don't make any sense.
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Post by humaan on Jul 5, 2008 8:12:16 GMT -5
Okay, what do you mean by "high-tech" because:
Rockets Base->Base Weapons Flying Machines Lasers Armor
All of those could be considered "High Tech" by definition.
This basically shows that "high tech" is too general to think about. Like a sword is "high tech" to a caveman. Technology would be "high tech" to creatures.
Base to base weapons are another problem, because by definition, "high tech" would be applied, and think about it, a army using a mother load of base to base weapons to annihilate a creature army with relative ease.
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 5, 2008 8:36:31 GMT -5
I'm assuming that Wildlife armies are more adavnced than the actual Wildlife in Pikmin, otherwise none of this would make any sense. They've probably reached an Industrial Age level of technology at the very least.
Rockets would be high tech, I think.
Base to base weapons don't have to be high tech. Ever heard of the Basilica cannon? It was a really huge Bombard Cannon made by the Turks, back when Istanbul was still Constantinople. It was huge and could fire over long distances, but it wasn't high tech as such.
Things like jet planes and helicopters would probably fall uner the banner of high tech. More basic aerial machines such as airships, dirigibles and WWI style biplanes and whatnot would probably still be accessible to Wildlife armies.
Lasers would probaly be high tech.
Armour doesn't have to be high tech, I don't know where you got that from. The only high etch body armour i can think of is kevlar, and maybe something futuristic like Power Armour or something.
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Post by Hachi on Jul 5, 2008 8:39:13 GMT -5
The same mods will be deciding which weapon is hi-tech or not, so we should get a consistent answer to that question.
Personally, I think normal tech for Wildlife would range from medival to WW II technology. Space age weapons, would be for the Hocotatians.
Also, Base to Base weapons are usually frowned upon and are often weak. Ballistaes and catapults are low tech. You could alway create a Base Defense that blocks Base to Base Weapons.
EDIT: Woah, Bulbmin had the same idea, only better.
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 5, 2008 8:41:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm not a mod, I was just giving some examples...
Also, I nearly finished the table, but I want to get those things checked out before I finish it off. I mean, some of that stuff really doesn't make any sense in real life, and I just want to make sure it's meant to be like that.
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Post by Hachi on Jul 5, 2008 8:48:34 GMT -5
What things would you like to change, Bulbmin?
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 5, 2008 8:57:56 GMT -5
A few things. look at Quartz, for example. It's apparently fireproof, but weak to water and ice. There's nothing wrong with that as asuch, it just doesn't make any sense. Quartz isn't weak to waterand ice in really life. You get erosion, but that takes a long time.
Brass crumbles when electrified, but is immune to fire. Again, not making much sense in a real life context.
Refined Coal has a higher Strength than Steel, which is just weird.
I appreciate that these things are perhaps supposed to be like this, but I just thought I'd check before I write them all down in the table.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 5, 2008 12:05:52 GMT -5
No, Petrosian, I think an engine made of HF Rocket Metal should be all you need. It's going to be too difficult to make anything that can get out of the atmosphere if you also have to buy an engine.
Bulbmin: I was planning on rewriting the resource list (I mentioned it in the sample Wildlife army). I didn't write it originally...although I think I might just want to throw a few of those building materials out and replace them with things like "Borbium" and "Dumplite" and that kind of thing. That way, it won't need to make sense. So, yeah, you can stop working on the table until I get that all figured out and approved.
Hachi: You said it pretty much perfectly. WWII era would be the kinds of things Wildlifes would get to use tech-wise. Very simple laser turrets might be okay, that kind of thing, but I tried to make a fairly good distinction in the sample armies Aerial Assault and Tank Time. A simple plane or helicopter might also work; but, of course, it couldn't have an extremely high amount of firepower or weapon capacity.
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Post by bulbmin on Jul 5, 2008 12:20:56 GMT -5
Could you maybe just replace the names for the ones that don't make sense? Like change Brass to Borbium, rather than completely erase Brass and make a new material with new costs and whatnot. it would make it a lot easier on me.
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Post by Water Dumple on Jul 5, 2008 12:21:40 GMT -5
Sure. I'll get on it shortly.
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